EkAurAaya
07-17 09:58 AM
Note to Moderators: I posted the same question as a separate thread, but then I thought this would be a good place to pose the question too...
Heres the background...
Primary:
EB3 Feb 2003 PD
i140 Approved
i485 files June 2007
for both wife and me...
EAD/AP - approved Sept 2007
EAD extension received June 2008 (1 year)
AP extension pending
(we have not used EAD/AP yet - we both are on H1b)
Derivative:
EB2 April 2004 PD
i140 Approved
Pending - i824 in Sept 2007 to convert AOS to CP (hoping it will get through by Oct this year)
Question:
Assuming we will get CP interview before AOS gets adjudicated, do you forsee any potential issues in this scenario?
Thanks in advance!
Heres the background...
Primary:
EB3 Feb 2003 PD
i140 Approved
i485 files June 2007
for both wife and me...
EAD/AP - approved Sept 2007
EAD extension received June 2008 (1 year)
AP extension pending
(we have not used EAD/AP yet - we both are on H1b)
Derivative:
EB2 April 2004 PD
i140 Approved
Pending - i824 in Sept 2007 to convert AOS to CP (hoping it will get through by Oct this year)
Question:
Assuming we will get CP interview before AOS gets adjudicated, do you forsee any potential issues in this scenario?
Thanks in advance!
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GCisLottery
10-23 05:05 PM
Thanks for the reply Amoljak,
Now if you can please remove all the sarcasm and explain this in more detail in laymen's terms, it would really help me. I mean how is it that atleast 10 members on this site have mentioned people selling and buying LCs LEGALLY! Were they bluffing or are we reading into the law wrongly?
Thanks
I don't know the business of this, but it is just fraud and that's precisely why USCIS wants to get rid of it. It is a genuinely OK route for companies that can't hold onto people and has to substitute.
My assumption is they are "buying" those LCs and join those money making companies, stay there as long as they legally have to stay and get out.
Now some mod please close this thread.
Now if you can please remove all the sarcasm and explain this in more detail in laymen's terms, it would really help me. I mean how is it that atleast 10 members on this site have mentioned people selling and buying LCs LEGALLY! Were they bluffing or are we reading into the law wrongly?
Thanks
I don't know the business of this, but it is just fraud and that's precisely why USCIS wants to get rid of it. It is a genuinely OK route for companies that can't hold onto people and has to substitute.
My assumption is they are "buying" those LCs and join those money making companies, stay there as long as they legally have to stay and get out.
Now some mod please close this thread.
GC_SUCK
07-10 01:39 PM
I had my candadian immigration last year. And the dead line to land was March 2007.
I was very confuse at that time about landing in Canada. Then one day my old 2002 PD labor got approved and I filed 485 in March 07. But now my canadian Immigration is expired.
Even my 485 is filed, I am thinking again to apply fresh application for Canadian Immigration. You never know what will happen to GC. So I will file again by the end of this year for Canadian Immigration.
I was very confuse at that time about landing in Canada. Then one day my old 2002 PD labor got approved and I filed 485 in March 07. But now my canadian Immigration is expired.
Even my 485 is filed, I am thinking again to apply fresh application for Canadian Immigration. You never know what will happen to GC. So I will file again by the end of this year for Canadian Immigration.
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snathan
08-16 12:24 AM
Poverty is the reality of our subcontinent, the reason Kasab took arms was out of ignorance not due to deliberate fundamentalism, even if latter were true, it is all desperation. The thousands of hungry dying people you point out might just take up arms if they had a choice to beat poverty.
How bright were we when we were 20 year olds? I am in no way supporting Kasab, he will meet his end eventually. But we need to open our minds to the root causes of terrorism, when we do that we have an opportunity to leave our children with a better world. Cutting someone into pieces won't fetch you much, that is no different from Taliban's approach of stoning infidel women, singers and anti-shariats.
It doesnt mean that we need to take arathy for Kasab. He needs to meet his end soon. Poverty used to be a cause for terrorism once up on a time. I dont think people are starving in Saudi Arabia. I dont think Absal Guru was dying for good. But still was commiting terror against innocent people.
How bright were we when we were 20 year olds? I am in no way supporting Kasab, he will meet his end eventually. But we need to open our minds to the root causes of terrorism, when we do that we have an opportunity to leave our children with a better world. Cutting someone into pieces won't fetch you much, that is no different from Taliban's approach of stoning infidel women, singers and anti-shariats.
It doesnt mean that we need to take arathy for Kasab. He needs to meet his end soon. Poverty used to be a cause for terrorism once up on a time. I dont think people are starving in Saudi Arabia. I dont think Absal Guru was dying for good. But still was commiting terror against innocent people.
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mallu
02-15 06:49 PM
I don't know what % of that group consists of H4 spouse of H1 folks. But i believe a good percentage of those applied through the TOEFL,GRE route.
And usually that happens to be 'low tier' universities in USA.
No offense to San Jose State University in silicon valley, where you can see H4 ladies flock to classes.
And usually that happens to be 'low tier' universities in USA.
No offense to San Jose State University in silicon valley, where you can see H4 ladies flock to classes.
PlainSpeak
01-13 03:16 PM
Calm down Girl. relax. atleast you called me your friend. freinds dont fight. just take it easy and relax. take a nap, you will feel better.
Sorry if i said some thing wrong.
Your friend
MC
Mr Michael chertoff - do you know what happens when you act fresh with a gal.
You either get a slap or a kiss. I have not made up my mind about either way but you need to keep on your toes
You know i think i can see you as a friend (And no i donot need your support in becoming an EB3 representative gosh gc_dreams needsa smoke or coffe or something) and as a friend i will say something
Please do not patronize me by asking me to take a nap.
Other than that you are one person on this forum who lets just say has my respect
Sorry if i said some thing wrong.
Your friend
MC
Mr Michael chertoff - do you know what happens when you act fresh with a gal.
You either get a slap or a kiss. I have not made up my mind about either way but you need to keep on your toes
You know i think i can see you as a friend (And no i donot need your support in becoming an EB3 representative gosh gc_dreams needsa smoke or coffe or something) and as a friend i will say something
Please do not patronize me by asking me to take a nap.
Other than that you are one person on this forum who lets just say has my respect
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boston_gc
06-27 09:44 AM
I also checked with my lawyer and made fool out of myself. Please, please please stop discussing this and concetrate on the real stuff.....
Better than this discussion, we should put our energies on the new CIR bill and see if and how can we benefit from that.
Better than this discussion, we should put our energies on the new CIR bill and see if and how can we benefit from that.
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Keeme
05-01 03:30 PM
When did Srilankan Tamilians become Indian citizens??? also India should make sure that terrorists organisation like LTTE is wiped out from the face of earth weather its in Srilanka, Afganistan or Pakistan... gone are the days when these thugs where called 'freedom fighters' .. they are a terrorist organisation and should be treated in that manner.
Its in today TOI that Congress/UPA govt. has raised a concern to their PAK counterparts about safely of some 35 Sikh families living in a small village which falls in Taliban's territory.
Why not a single statement by UPA Govt. / MPS/ any high ranking diplomats for Srinlankan's Tamil ? Are they affraid of Congress leadership or what ?
I don't know for what cause LTTE is fighting for and see them as same other terrorist organization in name of freedom. Its LTTE and their leaders who should be punished and brought to justice for killing of Rajeev Gandhi, not the whole community.
Don't be too confident that you may never be in the situation like them. Who knows tomorrow ? History tells us that you would be never safe on foreign soil ! If its not you, it would be your next generation who might seek support from your home country
My post is to just show double standard played by UPA govt.
Its in today TOI that Congress/UPA govt. has raised a concern to their PAK counterparts about safely of some 35 Sikh families living in a small village which falls in Taliban's territory.
Why not a single statement by UPA Govt. / MPS/ any high ranking diplomats for Srinlankan's Tamil ? Are they affraid of Congress leadership or what ?
I don't know for what cause LTTE is fighting for and see them as same other terrorist organization in name of freedom. Its LTTE and their leaders who should be punished and brought to justice for killing of Rajeev Gandhi, not the whole community.
Don't be too confident that you may never be in the situation like them. Who knows tomorrow ? History tells us that you would be never safe on foreign soil ! If its not you, it would be your next generation who might seek support from your home country
My post is to just show double standard played by UPA govt.
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vdlrao
09-15 12:17 PM
This is the monthwise total for Only PERM for India for year 2005 and 2006.
Month EB (INDIA) # Approved
Jan,05 0
Feb,05 0
Mar,05 1
Apr,05 24
May,05 133
June,05 535
July,05 794
Aug,05 1313
Sep,05 1316
Oct,05 1212
Nov,05 1541
Dec,05 1771
Jan,06 1788
Feb,06 1729
Mar,06 2224
Apr,06 1635
May,06 1876
June,06 1902
July,06 1574
Aug,06 1317
Sep,06 963
PERM 2005 (All EB2+EB3) for India is 8640
PERM upto Sep 2006 (2+3) for india is 15008
So the movement depends on the spillover to EB2 india. I assume if it is in the range of 15 to 20K then it will move upto mid of 2006 by end of 2010 for sure.
If the spill over is in the range > 20K to EB2 india then it will go to September 2006.
How did you say that are Only EB2+ EB3?
Month EB (INDIA) # Approved
Jan,05 0
Feb,05 0
Mar,05 1
Apr,05 24
May,05 133
June,05 535
July,05 794
Aug,05 1313
Sep,05 1316
Oct,05 1212
Nov,05 1541
Dec,05 1771
Jan,06 1788
Feb,06 1729
Mar,06 2224
Apr,06 1635
May,06 1876
June,06 1902
July,06 1574
Aug,06 1317
Sep,06 963
PERM 2005 (All EB2+EB3) for India is 8640
PERM upto Sep 2006 (2+3) for india is 15008
So the movement depends on the spillover to EB2 india. I assume if it is in the range of 15 to 20K then it will move upto mid of 2006 by end of 2010 for sure.
If the spill over is in the range > 20K to EB2 india then it will go to September 2006.
How did you say that are Only EB2+ EB3?
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GCWhru
07-23 11:38 AM
Guys,
I think we have talked and analyzed enough about how many visas available for August and September and pretty much arrived at conclusion that at the minimum 20K visas available. (Thanks to vdlrao).
Now we should talk about capability of USCIS and its processing speed? What is the normal approval rate with USCIS's regular processing. Also we heard that USCIS recruited many people, Do we suppose to see any improvement in processing. Do we think all the 20K visas will be used within 2 months?
If USCIS is going to approve only 5K visas over next 2 months, there is no point in talking how many visas left.
Thanks
I think we have talked and analyzed enough about how many visas available for August and September and pretty much arrived at conclusion that at the minimum 20K visas available. (Thanks to vdlrao).
Now we should talk about capability of USCIS and its processing speed? What is the normal approval rate with USCIS's regular processing. Also we heard that USCIS recruited many people, Do we suppose to see any improvement in processing. Do we think all the 20K visas will be used within 2 months?
If USCIS is going to approve only 5K visas over next 2 months, there is no point in talking how many visas left.
Thanks
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krish2005
01-19 01:16 PM
Yeah and I don't mind hiring your sister and mother too. After all I am EOE. You shut up and if you feel bad leave this profession. It's that simple. But don't be in state of denial. I just shown you the mirror. This reply pl don't read with humor.
Friends,
Lets try to stay calm and be together during these tougher times. Some might be in a better position than others which does not mean they will not be in similar state later on.
There are knives hanging over our heads. Let us not forget that.
Let peace and common sense prevail. Please note that antis might be watching the dogfight within IV.
Friends,
Lets try to stay calm and be together during these tougher times. Some might be in a better position than others which does not mean they will not be in similar state later on.
There are knives hanging over our heads. Let us not forget that.
Let peace and common sense prevail. Please note that antis might be watching the dogfight within IV.
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thomachan72
03-27 03:16 PM
Even now I cannot understand how this happened:
Lalu P Yadav is taken to jail on some corruption charges and while going he asks his wife who was baking chapathis in a tandoori to sit on the CM chair till he gets back. WOW!! man... that is what is called real democracy.
Lalu P Yadav is taken to jail on some corruption charges and while going he asks his wife who was baking chapathis in a tandoori to sit on the CM chair till he gets back. WOW!! man... that is what is called real democracy.
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ita
04-20 07:44 PM
You missing one thing in your stats .Year.You were looking at post independence records?No don't' answer me get yourself the answer.You go check your stats.I shared this link before ,which you so mightily pushed aside.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:prdjEwwFXSUJ:www.francoisgautier.co m/Written%2520Material/Christian%2520India.doc+is+india+heading+towards+c hristianity&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
That's why I say read everything I write then you wouldn't be here with your rant about hate crap.
Also no I never went through the numbers from VHP/RSS.As some one from Hyderabad I'm very well aware about how good the official stats are.I'm aware of the tricks wherein a minority family of 15 says they are just 4 .
A quick fact check : Muslims are about 13.5% and christians are about 2% of india's population. So instead of 30% of india belonging to these two groups per your numbers, it is actually closer to 15%.
I must say you defined yourself right.Educated Illiterate.I'll give that one to you.
A lie told 100 times can be made to look like truth.You can throw this crap at any anyone trying to reason out sense into your types.
Empty stomachs were refused food post tsunami until they agreed to take up certain religion by the so called preachers of religion. Post Tsunami many villages (entire villages) were abused and converted.(People who lost almost everything in the calamity suddenly have all the time in the world to think about religious freedom and conversion volunraity right?)
Just know this you are fooling no one with words like secularism,religious freedom which you use when it suits you.
Quite a religious freedom .
You have something sensible to say start saying with facts.Not with that tried out 'spreading fear and hatred' crap.
It is religious freedom, not religious conversion. And thanks for enlightening us about the global plan to decimate indians by racking up numbers on their side. Are all of the indians coming to US have a similar plan because I am not aware of it.
Spreading fear and hatred using lies and stoking communal feeling to get votes is nothing new. Seeing educated people do it with such fervour is new.
Shows your desperation.Please don't turn this into personal attack or religious attack.Talk sensible stuff or resign.I won't take your personal digs.
Are all of the indians coming to US have a similar plan because I am not aware of it.
When India shines with the efforts of sensible people you shine too(only to come to US and talk about 'fear and hatred crap')
If India sinks because of your illiterate tactics, know this, you may be fine but there will scores of people from all religions in not so good situation as the selfish breed like you would be in.
A quick fact check : Muslims are about 13.5% and christians are about 2% of india's population. So instead of 30% of india belonging to these two groups per your numbers, it is actually closer to 15%.Right wing extremists group use these exagerrated numbers to drive more gullible people into their communal parties. But you get those numbers from VHP/RSS. Check it tomorrow and it could be close to 40% !
It is religious freedom, not religious conversion. And thanks for enlightening us about the global plan to decimate indians by racking up numbers on their side. Are all of the indians coming to US have a similar plan because I am not aware of it.
Spreading fear and hatred using lies and stoking communal feeling to get votes is nothing new. Seeing educated people do it with such fervour is new.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:prdjEwwFXSUJ:www.francoisgautier.co m/Written%2520Material/Christian%2520India.doc+is+india+heading+towards+c hristianity&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
That's why I say read everything I write then you wouldn't be here with your rant about hate crap.
Also no I never went through the numbers from VHP/RSS.As some one from Hyderabad I'm very well aware about how good the official stats are.I'm aware of the tricks wherein a minority family of 15 says they are just 4 .
A quick fact check : Muslims are about 13.5% and christians are about 2% of india's population. So instead of 30% of india belonging to these two groups per your numbers, it is actually closer to 15%.
I must say you defined yourself right.Educated Illiterate.I'll give that one to you.
A lie told 100 times can be made to look like truth.You can throw this crap at any anyone trying to reason out sense into your types.
Empty stomachs were refused food post tsunami until they agreed to take up certain religion by the so called preachers of religion. Post Tsunami many villages (entire villages) were abused and converted.(People who lost almost everything in the calamity suddenly have all the time in the world to think about religious freedom and conversion volunraity right?)
Just know this you are fooling no one with words like secularism,religious freedom which you use when it suits you.
Quite a religious freedom .
You have something sensible to say start saying with facts.Not with that tried out 'spreading fear and hatred' crap.
It is religious freedom, not religious conversion. And thanks for enlightening us about the global plan to decimate indians by racking up numbers on their side. Are all of the indians coming to US have a similar plan because I am not aware of it.
Spreading fear and hatred using lies and stoking communal feeling to get votes is nothing new. Seeing educated people do it with such fervour is new.
Shows your desperation.Please don't turn this into personal attack or religious attack.Talk sensible stuff or resign.I won't take your personal digs.
Are all of the indians coming to US have a similar plan because I am not aware of it.
When India shines with the efforts of sensible people you shine too(only to come to US and talk about 'fear and hatred crap')
If India sinks because of your illiterate tactics, know this, you may be fine but there will scores of people from all religions in not so good situation as the selfish breed like you would be in.
A quick fact check : Muslims are about 13.5% and christians are about 2% of india's population. So instead of 30% of india belonging to these two groups per your numbers, it is actually closer to 15%.Right wing extremists group use these exagerrated numbers to drive more gullible people into their communal parties. But you get those numbers from VHP/RSS. Check it tomorrow and it could be close to 40% !
It is religious freedom, not religious conversion. And thanks for enlightening us about the global plan to decimate indians by racking up numbers on their side. Are all of the indians coming to US have a similar plan because I am not aware of it.
Spreading fear and hatred using lies and stoking communal feeling to get votes is nothing new. Seeing educated people do it with such fervour is new.
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greenguru
07-16 06:54 PM
Hi vdlrao
Could you please shed more light and your calculations on EB3 - I
Would be of great help if you could give some pointers atleast.
Thanks
Could you please shed more light and your calculations on EB3 - I
Would be of great help if you could give some pointers atleast.
Thanks
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msadiqali
07-22 03:03 PM
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cheap and best, use shikakai, neem and indian products for good health and economics..eat lot of fruits and vegetables and water..you will get everything you need from these than these stupid products...
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JunRN
09-23 02:15 AM
Asking for exemption from quota will cause this proposal to fail. My suggestion:
Of the 10,000 available visas per year for EB5, only about 3k to 4k are being used. How about if one buy a house and give a minimum $100,000 cash payment (not credit in US), he will get a temporary greencard from the EB5 visa pool. If after 2 years, the house is occupied and owned by the same person without problems with credit, he will get a permanent GC. This is on top of meeting the requirements of the category he is in.
Sorry for bringing EB5 in my comments.
This is just my opinion.
Of the 10,000 available visas per year for EB5, only about 3k to 4k are being used. How about if one buy a house and give a minimum $100,000 cash payment (not credit in US), he will get a temporary greencard from the EB5 visa pool. If after 2 years, the house is occupied and owned by the same person without problems with credit, he will get a permanent GC. This is on top of meeting the requirements of the category he is in.
Sorry for bringing EB5 in my comments.
This is just my opinion.
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extra_mint
09-15 12:26 PM
Totally Agree with your assumptions, there are few more that can be added like
Some 3-5% people with PD 2005 - 2006 are already approved (as low hanging fruits) during 2008 Aug-Oct period.
Also recent span of RFE's by USCIS (for preadjudication) resulted in flushing out of some applications
In short pending EB2 numbers that you are taking into account will be 10 to 20% less and available visa numbers from spill overs will be 20 to 30% more than what you projects. So forward movement will surely be there.
However there is a doubt related to spill overs every quarter !!
Allocations are surely made on quarter to quarter basis but there is no certain precedence in the past for spill overs, well i would say the past has been shady
I recall once VB where EB2 I was giving numbers from EB1 and this was before the last quarter (happened in FY 2008). We have to wait till Dec, 2009 Bulletin.
The analysis is very optimistic and does not account for
Duplicates (multiple I-485 for same person)
Discarded Labor (many people just discard the perm since they switch jobs or did not want to do GC)
Upgrades (people had EB2 perm but got GC in EB1 category)
Cross-chargeability (with spouse of PERM hold birth from non retrogressed country)
If they all makeup to 10-20% of applicants then the PD will move much faster.
Some 3-5% people with PD 2005 - 2006 are already approved (as low hanging fruits) during 2008 Aug-Oct period.
Also recent span of RFE's by USCIS (for preadjudication) resulted in flushing out of some applications
In short pending EB2 numbers that you are taking into account will be 10 to 20% less and available visa numbers from spill overs will be 20 to 30% more than what you projects. So forward movement will surely be there.
However there is a doubt related to spill overs every quarter !!
Allocations are surely made on quarter to quarter basis but there is no certain precedence in the past for spill overs, well i would say the past has been shady
I recall once VB where EB2 I was giving numbers from EB1 and this was before the last quarter (happened in FY 2008). We have to wait till Dec, 2009 Bulletin.
The analysis is very optimistic and does not account for
Duplicates (multiple I-485 for same person)
Discarded Labor (many people just discard the perm since they switch jobs or did not want to do GC)
Upgrades (people had EB2 perm but got GC in EB1 category)
Cross-chargeability (with spouse of PERM hold birth from non retrogressed country)
If they all makeup to 10-20% of applicants then the PD will move much faster.
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garybanz
02-15 10:27 AM
If anyone is willing to take this forward (with or without IV) then i'll b happy to contribute financially
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nrk
01-14 01:57 PM
I don't see any problem for EAD and AC21 people
Will this rule effect on EAD and AC21 also?
Will this rule effect on EAD and AC21 also?
Eternal_Hope
02-15 11:56 AM
If you google retrogression, IV doesn't show up until page 2.
Is there anyway we can change this? So that IV is the first link that shows up? Anyway know about this.
Type "retrogression" in Google search bar - when the results page shows up, look at the right hand side, there under the Sponsored Links you will see IV advertisement and link.
Looks pretty cool. GO IV!
Is there anyway we can change this? So that IV is the first link that shows up? Anyway know about this.
Type "retrogression" in Google search bar - when the results page shows up, look at the right hand side, there under the Sponsored Links you will see IV advertisement and link.
Looks pretty cool. GO IV!
rkg000
09-04 10:35 AM
I do not think you understood the meaning of my words correctly.
If you are a friend of YSR, you won't find a better friend than him and he will go out of way to help you. If you are his enemy, be prepared for consequences. This is also the motto of US Army and its origin is attributed to what a famous roman general once said of himself.
"No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full"
YSR is a very successfull CM. He delivered what mattered most to the poor people. Some other states like Tamilnadu are introducing some of his schemes like Rajiv arogyashree. More than 30 people died after learning that he is dead. Very few people can inspire that kind of reverence and affection. He may have his short comings but he achieved more than most can dream of.
It is silly to quote corruption every time you discuss politicians. Show me any major politician of consequence who did not face corruption charges at some time or the other. It is always present in one form or the other since the beginning of politics. We are all watching what is happening with healthcare reform bill here and how powerfull insurance industry is influencing it's outcome.
And who is making these allegations? Surprise, opposition parties and some sections of media that are opposed to him.
His death is definitely a loss to the state. We need competition among politicians and that competition existed between YSR and Babu and I like both of them. Between the two, I think AP progressed overall.
This thought of submission is exactly what has always pulled India back from moving forward. That unless you are corrupt you are not normal. Speaking out against corruption is abnormality for us. Just starting out schemes does not ensure good. If everybody from the CM to the peon in the office demands his share how does the money trickle down to the needy?
If you are a friend of YSR, you won't find a better friend than him and he will go out of way to help you. If you are his enemy, be prepared for consequences. This is also the motto of US Army and its origin is attributed to what a famous roman general once said of himself.
"No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full"
YSR is a very successfull CM. He delivered what mattered most to the poor people. Some other states like Tamilnadu are introducing some of his schemes like Rajiv arogyashree. More than 30 people died after learning that he is dead. Very few people can inspire that kind of reverence and affection. He may have his short comings but he achieved more than most can dream of.
It is silly to quote corruption every time you discuss politicians. Show me any major politician of consequence who did not face corruption charges at some time or the other. It is always present in one form or the other since the beginning of politics. We are all watching what is happening with healthcare reform bill here and how powerfull insurance industry is influencing it's outcome.
And who is making these allegations? Surprise, opposition parties and some sections of media that are opposed to him.
His death is definitely a loss to the state. We need competition among politicians and that competition existed between YSR and Babu and I like both of them. Between the two, I think AP progressed overall.
This thought of submission is exactly what has always pulled India back from moving forward. That unless you are corrupt you are not normal. Speaking out against corruption is abnormality for us. Just starting out schemes does not ensure good. If everybody from the CM to the peon in the office demands his share how does the money trickle down to the needy?
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