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  • mallu
    02-19 01:12 AM
    .....
    c) A lot of EB-based immigrants have been to American colleges and have graduate degrees. Again, see (b) above. Not the brightest idea to have this American-educated and trained high-skilled manpower forced to go back to India and China, the two main US competitors.
    Atleast, not if you are America.

    .......

    Actually, EB1 is current for India,China etc. Aren't they the brightest ?





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  • Lasantha
    02-12 02:32 PM
    Yes Ramba. I am aware of that. I will not start celebrating I till I see the GC in my hands. But still I am pretty excited about all this.

    I wish your hopes comes true. However, one thing you should remember. There are many guys with PD before 2005 got stuck due to name check, particularly in ROW catagory. This big jump in PD for ROW and new name check clearance rule, will makes tons of 485s become eligible for approval in March.

    As they mentioned in their comment, they may freeze the PD for ROW in APril or move back to 2004, depending on how many EB3-ROW gets GC in March.





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  • Macaca
    07-04 08:49 AM
    Chanduv thanks for your efforts. A correction: retrogression started in fall of 2004
    I think its is Oct 1, 2005. Please verify!





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  • gapala
    08-18 09:41 PM
    I usually just browse through these forums and I really appreciate the effort put in by the organizers. But this thread gave me an urge to respond and perhaps talk.

    First of all, SRK is just a normal human, not a God. The TSA has even questioned many American celebrities. SRK is just a guy with Khan as last name. TSA is not going to take chances and will make sure they do what is needed to protect America. And SRK probably acted like a monkey again and annoyed the TSA guys so they held him up for 2 hours. OK, just kidding. But thing is, Indian government if anything should take a lesson from it. In india if you are SRK or Sanjay Dutt, there are no lines for you..any where. Indians should get angry at that, not this that just happened in the USA. And for God's sake, why would you even want to sympathesize with a character like SRK who has destroyed the indian movie industry?

    Now don't tell me I am a traitor. I love India, I love America. I live in America because I like living in America and I have gotten used to the comfort and lifestyle. This doesnt mean that I hate India.

    And to the guy who thinks that americasn think Indians are slumdogs or thrid class citizens...please go to india and free up the line for the rest of us. Its your belief that they think you are a slumdog. Perhaps you come across that way to them. Indians are more notorious when it comes to "grading" people based on their color or status and if a few rednecks in America did this to you, don't stereotype the entire country.

    Enjoy the life. Life is good. In America and in India. Long wait for the GC? Yes it is a b**ch, but why have you rest your entire life on a decision by USCIS. Enjoy and take risks and blow your money on good things in life...even if you dont get the GC, on your flight back to India you will at least be proud of the fact that you enjoyed your stay in America. Go out, meet people, meet beautiful girls, eat good food, drink whiskey, watch movies, go hiking...so many things to do guys. And if you dont get the GC, tell your friends and family about the stuff you did in America.

    Don't ever be that Indian guy in the office. Be a smart global citizen.

    Oh... finally!
    Welcome to IV
    There is nothing special that you have written up there in your post. This is just normal stuff that most EB folks on this forum does. Why do you have to write such obvious things? You may agree or disagree with member's opinion but its sounds very naive to preach to this community about normal life.

    Its apparent from post that you think the members other than yourself live a lower than average life? :D I guess you are mistaken.. Keep reading posts and you will eventually get to know better..



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  • kondur_007
    01-13 09:19 PM
    However what we as a community should realize is this is just the first trick under the sleeves of anti-immigrants supported by grassley and co. Once consulting companies are out of the picture, they will target permanent employers with conditions like "the company should not have fired any US citizen in the past 6 months or plan to layoff any citizen in the upcoming 6 months." They could come up with additional restrictions for direct employers as well.

    Exactly my point.





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    07-10 11:27 AM
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  • RattuRani
    06-10 09:29 PM
    Don't think of it as punishment. The US wants to allow a certain number of people to immigrate each year. The demand far outstrips the supply. That's where the problem is.

    There are two ways to address this:

    Increase the supply
    Decrease the demand


    Those are the only two ways. One option would be to go for a points based system that awards the limited visas to those with the best qualifications or where the need is greatest. After all the US is in a "buyer's market" and can pick and choose those immigrants that add most to the country.

    The other option (which is at present politically infeasible) is to increase the annual immigrant quotas. Tough to support this in a recession with 10% unemployment.

    I'm not sure you can characterize this as unfair... ultimately it is left to the US to determine how many people they want immigrating.





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  • mundada
    07-10 11:32 AM
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  • walking_dude
    02-14 02:51 PM
    Life's not simple. It's not A or B. It's usually A and B that succeeds. Like I mentioned in an earlier post going ahead with option A (lawsuit) closes option B ( meetings and negotiations).

    Best approach is IV keeps option B (lobbying) open while a group that agrees option A is better continues to pursue it. There is a lot of support for this measure here. What it lacks is a convinced leadership! Once the leadership emerges and there is action on the ground, who knows, the skeptics may join too.

    chandu...have u read the lawsuit outcome? do u still think that an administrative fix is easier to achieve than a lawsuit? lets say it comes down to either/or...either a lawsuit or an administrative fix...which one would IV support?





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  • sanju
    02-15 11:29 AM
    This country is against slavery of mankind in any form ( atleast that is what they preach to the rest of the world).

    Your above statement is true, but it doesn't apply to EB situation. A slave is not allowed to leave, you are allowed to leave time, at your free will. Its just that you chose not to leave. The correct description of the situation is - you are imposing slavery upon yourself and asking for remedy from the government. Isn't that correct? Jazzy is simply saying that you can leave if you don't like it. So you are not a slave. Its that simple.

    Knowingly or unknowingly they have setup laws which virtually make us slaves.

    Laws are pretty clear, its just that we are stuck in the process created by those laws and we want to call it "slavery".

    This debate will have a conclusive output if we think from our mind instead from our heart. No point in getting emotional about the situation, this debate needs pragmatic thinking and discussion about the possible lawsuit.

    Slavery is not a valid argument so no point in mentioning it. Also, whether of not we have a cause depends on the law and not on the logic or the emotional aspect of the debate.



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  • sk2006
    08-15 07:14 PM
    I completely agree with you that we should never forget our roots or our motherland. India is far better than US when it comes to family values and many other things. However, this story has nothing to do about standing up for our own country/motherland. Every person who has a common name with terrorist names has had troubles at POE since 9/11. So who cares if he is SRK or anyone for that matter. When Colin Powell was the chief of security under Bush administration he had to go through airport security just like any other common person. The TSA here in US treats everyone the same. Do you think ministers or celebrities in India follow any security procedures ? Every now and then you hear of ministers and celebrities involved in smuggling scandals.
    There are good and bad things about every nation. IMHO, security procedures in US are the far better than India and apply the same way to everyone unlike in India. If you are so concerned about standing up for your motherland, what are you doing in the US ? Should I be calling you a traitor ? My point is, this case of SRK has nothing to do with loyality to motherland or racism. It is an unfortunate aftermath of 9/11 and we all know its been happening at POE.

    I think this is a very good post.
    To add to this:
    This incident has nothing to do with India. It just happened that SRK was from India.
    After 9/11 we all know security measures are tight and rightly so.

    For them it does not matter if it is
    1. SR Khan who works in movies or
    2. XYZ Khan who is a computer programmer or a cab driver.

    If the name flashes in the computers they do the required checks.

    Do you feel people with Muslim sounding names are targeted more?
    No wonder, it is likely. DO NOT Blame USA TSA for that. Blame Osama Bin Laden for putting innocent Muslims through this.





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  • mps
    08-18 06:46 PM
    he should be thankful to Indian Embassy... just imagine what would have happened to him if he was from a country west of India :-)



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  • ebizash
    07-21 12:06 PM
    Did it for 4 years and quit in 2007... lost 20K and 95% of my friends...

    Quixtar is not bad but the people running sub-businesses (such as BWW etc) by pushing tapes and books on you make it HELL

    Stay Away unless you are willing to lose a lot to gain a few!!

    PEACE





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  • Dakota Newfie
    12-14 04:06 PM
    I know what I am about to say will trigger a lot of reaction and some resentment, but it has to be said on behalf of those who are not Indian. I think the per country limit is to ensure that people of all nationalities and races have an equal opportunity to obtain a green card and to ensure that no one nationality, group, or even sector (i.e. IT) monopolizes the so few visas that are available. In fact, in the visa lottery, countries become excluded when the number of immigrants from them reach a certain point, so we are lucky they do not do that in the Employment-based system!

    I think that by wanting to remove the per country limit so more Indians can avail of the green card quota is both asking for "special treatment" and a slap in the face for all the non-Indian IV members. The more I read the threads on this site, the more I feel that this organization is geared just to one ethnic group. I am sure that Indians probably make up the majority of members, but the founders of IV (I hope) did not want this organization to become one-sided! Please be considerate of ALL members and try to come up with suggestions that would benefit ALL members!!!:mad:



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  • WeShallOvercome
    07-24 06:48 PM
    And what reason might that be? To be born in an insanely ridiculously pathetically gutterish country like India you need to have been a sinner in your previous life.


    Or a looser in your present life to be saying so!!!!





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  • chi_shark
    10-28 03:06 PM
    i am curious... if someone leaves a comment with a red or a green dot, how do i get to see the comment?

    Some moron gave me a Red for my post below with the comment ".."

    Seriously dude, if you are so naive as to think that ROW folks are just going sit around and watch EB2 India consume the spillover numbers, then get your head examined or stop smoking that pipe. Have you ever wondered how low the participation is from ROW applicants on these forums? This is simply because for the most part its become a desi forum mostly dominated by EB2 folks.

    Or you can give me another red and stick your head back in the sand (...or in those clouds, whatever the case may be)



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  • amsgc
    12-21 04:07 PM
    albertpinto,

    I agree that it is not going to be easy - but I don't see any other way.

    It is easy to throw numbers - 200K, 500K waiting, 750K apps received etc. etc., but unless there is evidence to back it up, these numbers mean nothing. What is our answer to a Senator who asks how many people are waiting in line Eb category? And what is the source of that data?

    How else can we estimate how much money we are paying every year in taxes and contributing to the growth of the economy? Or, how many really intend to buy a house on receipt of the Green Card?

    Perhaps we can think of some other strategy to arrive at some concrete numbers - but I sincerely don't think a database of anonymous unverifiable members is of much use. By the way, when I said verifiable, I meant that if a representative from a senators office were to randomly call a number from the database, he would find a legal immigrant at the other end who is trying to find his way through this process.

    I like the idea of a temporary green card - there has been talk about it in the forums in the past. We could also consider pitching the idea of "expedited/early evaluation/adjudication", of the I-485, for a fee. The main point could be:
    - For a fee, you will know for sure whether all your paperwork/interview work is complete, the case has been adjudicated, and your application is waiting only for a visa umber.
    - Once the case is adjudicated - the USCIS sends you a letter that it is complete. Now can do almost anything with your EAD/AP - work for any employer, any field, any state, study, start a business etc.

    The USCIS can define the criteria for accepting cases for early evaluation, such as:
    - PD older than 3 years
    - Buying a house etc.
    - Attempting to start a business, changing job, going back to school to enhance skills etc.

    Any other thoughts, any one?



    I will be surprised if you get many mails - if you are asking people to reveal their phone numbers and the estimated taxes - how many will send mails ? and how can you verify what is being sent ??
    the main point should be keep it simple !!!
    -- I suggest this ...
    1) come up with a plan ..either to send letters to media or logfren or both ..tell them about GC and housing and to speed up the process for those already here (rather than increasing h1 - which is controversial during slowdowns).
    at the very least give us temporary green cards (if they cannot do a recapture) ..this temp card should be similar to permanent GC ..but it should give the applicant the freedom from RFE's etc (I know these sound difficult ..but it is new year and who knows Santa may grant us our wish :)).

    2) give them approx figure that there are 300k families who are planning to buy house sooner or later ..but the GC is preventing them.
    3) the other main point is to keep on increasing IV's member ship by telling everyone about this campaign ..maybe we need the dedication like the AMway guys to increase membership !!
    (also ..please post on one thread and keep only one thread active at a time).





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  • grupak
    12-13 11:25 AM
    Discrimination in employment based on nationality is not allowed. However, can we extend the argument to the employment based immigration? We can always choose to take that promotion though we will lose our place in the queue.

    Leaving the question of fairness aside, under the current legal framework my guess is we do not have a case.





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  • ganguteli
    06-15 05:32 PM
    H1b cap is 65k+ 20K for US master degree and remaining are exemptions. Total approimately 125K were issued on 2007.

    Let H1B and L1 become unlimited. Anyone with right skills should be allowed to come and work in USA and earn. Even if it means salary of US programmers go down to $1 an hour or less.

    Likewise allow all US citizens to come to India and apply for jobs. Let them compete with Indians in India. Let them live on $1/hr.
    America should lead the wold by example and make this change in the policy and show the world that it cares for Democracy and equality.

    This will make a level playing field for everyone and true globalization. What do you say Senthil1?

    You are an anti-immigrant lurking on this forum. You people better watch out. Go tell this to Losers guild.





    extra_mint
    09-15 12:26 PM
    Totally Agree with your assumptions, there are few more that can be added like

    Some 3-5% people with PD 2005 - 2006 are already approved (as low hanging fruits) during 2008 Aug-Oct period.

    Also recent span of RFE's by USCIS (for preadjudication) resulted in flushing out of some applications

    In short pending EB2 numbers that you are taking into account will be 10 to 20% less and available visa numbers from spill overs will be 20 to 30% more than what you projects. So forward movement will surely be there.

    However there is a doubt related to spill overs every quarter !!
    Allocations are surely made on quarter to quarter basis but there is no certain precedence in the past for spill overs, well i would say the past has been shady

    I recall once VB where EB2 I was giving numbers from EB1 and this was before the last quarter (happened in FY 2008). We have to wait till Dec, 2009 Bulletin.




    The analysis is very optimistic and does not account for

    Duplicates (multiple I-485 for same person)
    Discarded Labor (many people just discard the perm since they switch jobs or did not want to do GC)
    Upgrades (people had EB2 perm but got GC in EB1 category)
    Cross-chargeability (with spouse of PERM hold birth from non retrogressed country)


    If they all makeup to 10-20% of applicants then the PD will move much faster.





    NKR
    02-15 02:38 PM
    Originally Posted by
    You guys keep saying diversity is a FB immigration problem only not EB, hence no cap needed in EB.
    REALLY? Is it a coincidence that a desi company owner will usually have 99% of his emploees Indian? Thinking that employment depends only on skills is not realistic. A lot of the networking based on national origin interferes with how at least H1 jobs are landed here. So there is a reason to have rules preventing a monopoly.
    Cheers.

    Who created the monopoly?. Why are there less employers from other countries?. Who is preventing other employers from not hiring people from their own country?. It is a level playing field for all entreprenuers, right?...

    anyways, why don't we just patch up and move on... I am getting tired of this already and there are thousands of other people who are feeling the same.



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