gjoe
02-15 12:07 PM
Its just that you chose not to leave. The correct description of the situation is - you are imposing slavery upon yourself and asking for remedy from the government. Isn't that correct? Jazzy is simply saying that you can leave if you don't like it. So you are not a slave. Its that simple.
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A person can kill himself to solve all his problems. But that is not the point. If I have come here to work and you have things setup in a way that it can be used to exploit you ( e.g. employer holding back your pay for no valid reason) that amounts to indirectly supporting slave business. The word "slave" doesn't make high tech workers comfortable because they don't want to be categorized as such. But the trouble they are going through is similar to that of the slaves that were taken by the brits in olden days for working at different places in their colonies. If you look at the way most of us work here, it is almost same. Someone (called ur employer) brings you here, he puts you in a place to work reporting to a differnet master sometime many. This exactly how slave trade was working in olden days, but today instead of us working in plantations or laying highways we are working on the building the IT super highway.
I rest my case here for now
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A person can kill himself to solve all his problems. But that is not the point. If I have come here to work and you have things setup in a way that it can be used to exploit you ( e.g. employer holding back your pay for no valid reason) that amounts to indirectly supporting slave business. The word "slave" doesn't make high tech workers comfortable because they don't want to be categorized as such. But the trouble they are going through is similar to that of the slaves that were taken by the brits in olden days for working at different places in their colonies. If you look at the way most of us work here, it is almost same. Someone (called ur employer) brings you here, he puts you in a place to work reporting to a differnet master sometime many. This exactly how slave trade was working in olden days, but today instead of us working in plantations or laying highways we are working on the building the IT super highway.
I rest my case here for now
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simple1
05-18 05:15 PM
To me: sinhalas and tamils look very similar.
This guy even goes further and says they are one and the same.
http://www.geocities.com/nallathambi_thevar/TamilSangam_Mauryas.htm
The present day Sinhala-Tamil conflict though originally a conflict between followers of Hinduism and the neo converts to Buddhism had morphed into a conflict between casteist Tamil Hindus and Tamil followers of ‘Organized Buddhism’ to a conflict between Tamils and Sinhala with the converted Buddhist shifting there allegiance to Pali/Sinhala.Organized Buddhism succeeded in separating Elangai from Tamilakam with its own language of Pali/Sinhala.
This guy even goes further and says they are one and the same.
http://www.geocities.com/nallathambi_thevar/TamilSangam_Mauryas.htm
The present day Sinhala-Tamil conflict though originally a conflict between followers of Hinduism and the neo converts to Buddhism had morphed into a conflict between casteist Tamil Hindus and Tamil followers of ‘Organized Buddhism’ to a conflict between Tamils and Sinhala with the converted Buddhist shifting there allegiance to Pali/Sinhala.Organized Buddhism succeeded in separating Elangai from Tamilakam with its own language of Pali/Sinhala.
p_aluri
12-14 03:41 PM
I would say this is not going to work for us!
There is country quota for each and every country excluding USA..
if we argue that there is no quota for countries belongs to ROW,The government can agrue that spill over has happened from under subscribed countries(Below 7% country limit) to over subscribed countries(above 7% country limit) within in the ROW.
This is the common way of allocating..
Just my opinion..
There is country quota for each and every country excluding USA..
if we argue that there is no quota for countries belongs to ROW,The government can agrue that spill over has happened from under subscribed countries(Below 7% country limit) to over subscribed countries(above 7% country limit) within in the ROW.
This is the common way of allocating..
Just my opinion..
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GCard_Dream
10-18 06:11 PM
You are absolutely right. I don’t understand these people who keep comparing US with Canada and there are fair number of these people.
The reason you came to US and didn’t go to Canada (or any other country for that matter including your home country) because you prefer to stay in US and you like what it has to offer you. So obviously you’ll always find something that you don’t like in other countries. This is not to say that any one country is better or worse than any other but you came here because you feel that this country has more to offer you than other countries and that could be a very subjective decision. Trust me there are plenty of people who would never want to migrate to US.
Having said that lot of us are thinking about leaving because US is making harder and harder for people like us to stay here and lot of us don’t want to put our lives on hold for years and years hoping that may be one day I’ll hit the jackpot called green card. On the other hand, lot of us don’t mind waiting and have been waiting for long time. It’s a matter of preference. Remember you are supposed to be a guest here. Do your work and get the hell out of here. Only 140000 guests are allowed to stay back and rest have to pack their bags. I mean that’s the real intent behind this quota system.
To make long story short, for lot of people US is not the option available on the table so quit comparing US against others. Just think about where you might end up if you didn’t move to Canada and compare that country against Canada.
What's your choice? Home Country and Canada. The choice isn't between US and Canada. If you had an option to live in US you wouldn't be talking about canada.
If you compare US to canada you are all set for disappointment. The taxes are higher and jobs are definitely harder to find. Eveything is a little more expensive compared to US. (If you look at books CDN prices are always higher). But on the other hand, houses are way cheaper. What cost 600 K in SF Bay Area costs 350 K in Toronto suburb.
Canada still has a higher standard of living than Europe/Australia. I recently met someone who's been in Canada for 40 years and he told me that the highest tax bracket is 35%. It used to be 45% about 10 years ago.
Anyway, compare with going back home not US.
The reason you came to US and didn’t go to Canada (or any other country for that matter including your home country) because you prefer to stay in US and you like what it has to offer you. So obviously you’ll always find something that you don’t like in other countries. This is not to say that any one country is better or worse than any other but you came here because you feel that this country has more to offer you than other countries and that could be a very subjective decision. Trust me there are plenty of people who would never want to migrate to US.
Having said that lot of us are thinking about leaving because US is making harder and harder for people like us to stay here and lot of us don’t want to put our lives on hold for years and years hoping that may be one day I’ll hit the jackpot called green card. On the other hand, lot of us don’t mind waiting and have been waiting for long time. It’s a matter of preference. Remember you are supposed to be a guest here. Do your work and get the hell out of here. Only 140000 guests are allowed to stay back and rest have to pack their bags. I mean that’s the real intent behind this quota system.
To make long story short, for lot of people US is not the option available on the table so quit comparing US against others. Just think about where you might end up if you didn’t move to Canada and compare that country against Canada.
What's your choice? Home Country and Canada. The choice isn't between US and Canada. If you had an option to live in US you wouldn't be talking about canada.
If you compare US to canada you are all set for disappointment. The taxes are higher and jobs are definitely harder to find. Eveything is a little more expensive compared to US. (If you look at books CDN prices are always higher). But on the other hand, houses are way cheaper. What cost 600 K in SF Bay Area costs 350 K in Toronto suburb.
Canada still has a higher standard of living than Europe/Australia. I recently met someone who's been in Canada for 40 years and he told me that the highest tax bracket is 35%. It used to be 45% about 10 years ago.
Anyway, compare with going back home not US.
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jaithran
07-17 12:25 PM
Too many guesses!!! I am a silent watcher here for last 1 or 2 yrs and all your calculations & guesses were proved wrong in the past. Some guys are too positive that they always guess & give some calcuations which seems like you are going to get your GC in 6 months..some are very negative that they always keep crying and always guess & give some calculation which seems like you will only get your GC in 2025. lol to be frank its really funny to see your guesses & calculations. BTW this is not to offend anyone her. Take it easy guys.:D
kumar80
07-29 12:04 AM
Thanks a lot for your reply.
I had completed my BSc in computer science with 3 years & also completed my Masters(MCA) in computer science with 3 years.(both from India)
Total I have 6 years(3 yrs bachelors + 3 yrs masters) of education/qualification in Computer Science.
My labor has been approved & in that it is mentioned, position requires Masters degree.
Do I qualify for EB2 category?
I already filled I-140 in March 2008 under EB2.
I will really appreciate your response.
Thanks.
Hi GetGC08,
Do you have details of what kind of information was requested by USCIS? I have the same notice as yours when I check my I-140 status online. It was sent on July 28th 2008
Reply asap would be appreciated.
Thanks.
I had completed my BSc in computer science with 3 years & also completed my Masters(MCA) in computer science with 3 years.(both from India)
Total I have 6 years(3 yrs bachelors + 3 yrs masters) of education/qualification in Computer Science.
My labor has been approved & in that it is mentioned, position requires Masters degree.
Do I qualify for EB2 category?
I already filled I-140 in March 2008 under EB2.
I will really appreciate your response.
Thanks.
Hi GetGC08,
Do you have details of what kind of information was requested by USCIS? I have the same notice as yours when I check my I-140 status online. It was sent on July 28th 2008
Reply asap would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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aka
12-13 11:50 AM
Discrimination in employment based on nationality is not allowed. However, can we extend the argument to the employment based immigration? We can always choose to take that promotion though we will lose our place in the queue.
Leaving the question of fairness aside, under the current legal framework my guess is we do not have a case.
This is a very interesting angle... even though on the surface it looks like we have a choice in taking that promotion and losing our place in queue, it is not really a choice. Do this a couple of times and your six years on H1-B expire, you basically have to leave your job and go back to your country. So taking a promotion is eventually a dead end. I think by extension, we can legally argue that this per-country based quota system is really (inadvertently) leading to discrimination in our employment based on nationality (which is unconstitutional).
Leaving the question of fairness aside, under the current legal framework my guess is we do not have a case.
This is a very interesting angle... even though on the surface it looks like we have a choice in taking that promotion and losing our place in queue, it is not really a choice. Do this a couple of times and your six years on H1-B expire, you basically have to leave your job and go back to your country. So taking a promotion is eventually a dead end. I think by extension, we can legally argue that this per-country based quota system is really (inadvertently) leading to discrimination in our employment based on nationality (which is unconstitutional).
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gc_on_demand
06-15 01:29 PM
I believe in luck in the GC process. Before 2005 PERM process, many folks applied in states where Labor was fast. They were able to get greencards within a couple of years while others were stuck in Labor Backlog centers (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=67&Itemid=50). Some cleared all hurdles and got stuck in namechecks for years. Until 2007 Namecheck was a big scare. (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=81&Itemid=61)
Many people could not file in July 07 for various reasons. Some people were born in India but were brought up in other country. Even they are stuck. Some people decided to rise in their careers and changed jobs on H1. While they did rise, but lost in the grreencard PD race.
So definitely luck pays its role.
me and some other people may be lucky individually to get PERM and I 140 get clear just before economy collapsed in early 2008. But now we are facing MASS UNLUCK OF INDIA.
Just kidding..
Many people could not file in July 07 for various reasons. Some people were born in India but were brought up in other country. Even they are stuck. Some people decided to rise in their careers and changed jobs on H1. While they did rise, but lost in the grreencard PD race.
So definitely luck pays its role.
me and some other people may be lucky individually to get PERM and I 140 get clear just before economy collapsed in early 2008. But now we are facing MASS UNLUCK OF INDIA.
Just kidding..
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mr_aryan
05-01 04:09 PM
I'm not sure if you r a tamilian or not, but u defenitely sound like India's neighbour Pakistan who claim that their fellow muslims are killed in kashmir by indian solidiers and who also cliam that muslims have been opressed and want a seperate statehood just like the LTTE.
Lemme remind guyz like u, that LTTE has been responsible of killing Indian Prime minister along with many inncocent civilians & presidents, many prominent leaders, innocent civilians in srilanka.They have been labled as a terrosit organization.
Srilankan Government has been facing LTTE atrocites for many decades & now that they decided enough is enough & doing what they think is right for their country.
But some Tamilians like you who are born citizens of India or any other coutry blaming Srilankan Govt, by sympathising with terrorist organisation like LTTE just like any other terrorsit organisation in the world.
Probably you would'nt have supported LTTE if any of your family member has been killed for being prsent around an attack by LTTE on some leader.
So just think wisely before you post somethin though this is not the frum for such posts, just because u r a tamilian & some tamilians r killed in a war between LTTE & SL govt.
Lemme remind guyz like u, that LTTE has been responsible of killing Indian Prime minister along with many inncocent civilians & presidents, many prominent leaders, innocent civilians in srilanka.They have been labled as a terrosit organization.
Srilankan Government has been facing LTTE atrocites for many decades & now that they decided enough is enough & doing what they think is right for their country.
But some Tamilians like you who are born citizens of India or any other coutry blaming Srilankan Govt, by sympathising with terrorist organisation like LTTE just like any other terrorsit organisation in the world.
Probably you would'nt have supported LTTE if any of your family member has been killed for being prsent around an attack by LTTE on some leader.
So just think wisely before you post somethin though this is not the frum for such posts, just because u r a tamilian & some tamilians r killed in a war between LTTE & SL govt.
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nixstor
07-03 04:25 PM
Hi all,
Regarding the recent goofup by USCIS, please rate this story
http://digg.com/politics/No_July_4th_Celebrations_for_Highly_Skilled_Future _Americans/who
if this receives more than 100 users rating for the story in next 5-10 hours - it would be displayed on the first page. Digg.com is read by hundreds of thousands of web users and there is high chance of getting picked by main stream media.
Note that you ll have to signup as digg.com member to rate it - it ll just take 30 secs of your time.
Sorry I wasn't able to submit the official IV prlog.com url since it is not accepted by Digg.
thanks.
Here is one more to digg
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin
Regarding the recent goofup by USCIS, please rate this story
http://digg.com/politics/No_July_4th_Celebrations_for_Highly_Skilled_Future _Americans/who
if this receives more than 100 users rating for the story in next 5-10 hours - it would be displayed on the first page. Digg.com is read by hundreds of thousands of web users and there is high chance of getting picked by main stream media.
Note that you ll have to signup as digg.com member to rate it - it ll just take 30 secs of your time.
Sorry I wasn't able to submit the official IV prlog.com url since it is not accepted by Digg.
thanks.
Here is one more to digg
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin
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kuhelica2000
02-15 04:47 PM
Dingudi,
I didn't generalize. I said preponderence meaning "a lot of" cases with L1/B1/H1 and I am also not denying the fact the India is doing a great job in producing IT skills in great numbers. I am saying how they end up in America in greater numbers than any other country. China, Pakistan, Israel also produces lots of IT gradutes but they don't have the bodyshop connection to land here with an NIIT certificate.
I am an Indian and also came as a student giving GRE/TOEFL. So do not generalize that IT workers from India came here via L1/B1 route. Some of them did but some did not. I know lot of Indian who came here to study.
If India is producing more people qualified in these skills then its not their fault.
I didn't generalize. I said preponderence meaning "a lot of" cases with L1/B1/H1 and I am also not denying the fact the India is doing a great job in producing IT skills in great numbers. I am saying how they end up in America in greater numbers than any other country. China, Pakistan, Israel also produces lots of IT gradutes but they don't have the bodyshop connection to land here with an NIIT certificate.
I am an Indian and also came as a student giving GRE/TOEFL. So do not generalize that IT workers from India came here via L1/B1 route. Some of them did but some did not. I know lot of Indian who came here to study.
If India is producing more people qualified in these skills then its not their fault.
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Rohan99
07-27 12:46 PM
United States Secretary of Homeland Security - Janet Napolitano can help you.
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sumagiri
07-25 08:40 AM
IMO, both arguments and are valid as far as speculations are concerned. It all depends on perspective. In this thread, we are focusing on statistics and calculations. I my self did lot of calculations. However, objectively looking at Ron's comments, it appears like his concern and underlying message is what if USCIS won't adjudicate enough numbers and wastes visa numbers as it did lot of times. He is basing his prediction on years of experience. With recent pressure on DOS/USCIS to use visa number, I think, they are making an attempt to use up all numbers and that will definitely bring life to our calculations. But what If they do not do that.....and their 'target' is a low number.
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sertasheep
07-03 05:28 PM
Can any IV member write to me with the following detials, if you have this info , please:
Of course, we need a reliable source to be cited.
1) Has it been reported anywhere in the media on how many applicants may have been approx. affected by the Visa Bulletin fiasco? All I have heard is "tens of thousands"
2) Any good estimate on how much expenditure may have been incurred..i saw somewhere that it was $300 mil?
email: sertasheep at immigrationvoice.org
Sertasheep
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Of course, we need a reliable source to be cited.
1) Has it been reported anywhere in the media on how many applicants may have been approx. affected by the Visa Bulletin fiasco? All I have heard is "tens of thousands"
2) Any good estimate on how much expenditure may have been incurred..i saw somewhere that it was $300 mil?
email: sertasheep at immigrationvoice.org
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07-03 09:43 PM
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Legal
07-22 09:38 AM
USCIS TRYING ITS BEST, with the available resources, TO KEEP THE EMPLOYMENT BASED CATEGORY IN SHAPE.
BUT THE REASON FOR ALL THIS MESS IS ITS WORKING WITH DECADES OLD IMMIGRATION RULES and WITH a HUGE DEMAND OF EB VISAS FROM A VERY FEW COUNTRIES.
THE MESS IS WITH THE IMMIGRATION RULES, WHICH ARE WRITTEN DECADES BACK (MAY BE AT THAT TIME THE LAW MAKERS MIGHT NOT HAVE ASSUMED THE EB DEMAND WOULD BE FROM A FEW COUNTRIES LIKE INDIA and CHINA), BUT NOT WITH THE USCIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIME is REACHED FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM.
vdlrao,
I totally agree with this. They have been trying hard to do the right thing WITHIN THE LIMITS OF CURRENT LAWS and be fair as much as possible.
Do you agree with my statement there are 40k numbers available for EB which should be used up before Sep 30th? 20,000 each in August and September. And I bet that's what they are planning to do. I realize this could be wishful thinking . But everything points to that direction. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
BUT THE REASON FOR ALL THIS MESS IS ITS WORKING WITH DECADES OLD IMMIGRATION RULES and WITH a HUGE DEMAND OF EB VISAS FROM A VERY FEW COUNTRIES.
THE MESS IS WITH THE IMMIGRATION RULES, WHICH ARE WRITTEN DECADES BACK (MAY BE AT THAT TIME THE LAW MAKERS MIGHT NOT HAVE ASSUMED THE EB DEMAND WOULD BE FROM A FEW COUNTRIES LIKE INDIA and CHINA), BUT NOT WITH THE USCIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIME is REACHED FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM.
vdlrao,
I totally agree with this. They have been trying hard to do the right thing WITHIN THE LIMITS OF CURRENT LAWS and be fair as much as possible.
Do you agree with my statement there are 40k numbers available for EB which should be used up before Sep 30th? 20,000 each in August and September. And I bet that's what they are planning to do. I realize this could be wishful thinking . But everything points to that direction. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
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fide_champ
08-17 10:27 AM
This is a country of law. If your name is flagged by any reason, no matter who you are, you are going to send for secondary investigation. There are thousands of peoples pulled for secondary investigation everyday. Are they all Khan? SRK, you lost your credibility on this issue.
In 2002, then President Bush's two teenager twin daughters were charged for producing fake ID to buy beer in the Texas bar. Instead of supporting daughter, President apologize.
In Baltimore, where I live, charged Micheal Phelps (winner of 8 gold medals in last Olympic) for having accident with expired Driving License.
When India will come out of "Celebrity worship"?
Does president OBAMA come through US port-of-entry and all the security checks when he lands on US from a trip abroad? or does he land directly in white house? Don't tell me the US officials don't make exceptions. Only the degree to which they do differs from country to country.
In 2002, then President Bush's two teenager twin daughters were charged for producing fake ID to buy beer in the Texas bar. Instead of supporting daughter, President apologize.
In Baltimore, where I live, charged Micheal Phelps (winner of 8 gold medals in last Olympic) for having accident with expired Driving License.
When India will come out of "Celebrity worship"?
Does president OBAMA come through US port-of-entry and all the security checks when he lands on US from a trip abroad? or does he land directly in white house? Don't tell me the US officials don't make exceptions. Only the degree to which they do differs from country to country.
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mallu
02-16 05:09 PM
....I am riveted by this because I spoke to Oppenheim just the day before this meeting (he referred to it). This was the conversation in which he told me that at present EB-2 India would only get numbers leftover from EB-1 India -- the problem is he doesn't know either exactly how many EB-2 India adjudicated applications there are in any specific PD range -- so every month he makes wild guesses, with the intent of using up visas. ...
I sent an email to Attorney Greg ( http://www.visalaw.com/gsiskind.html ), may be he knows something about it.
I sent an email to Attorney Greg ( http://www.visalaw.com/gsiskind.html ), may be he knows something about it.
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sledge_hammer
02-16 06:50 AM
1) Does this mean that if we link from our webpages/homepages to IV, that it will count?
2) How about if I set up a website, create a thousand pages in it, and put a link to IV on each of those pages? Does that count? Is it the number of pages that point to IV that count? Or the number of websites? Do you know how the spiders work?
3) Also, how about clicking on IV. Like, can I google retrogression, and then go to page 2, and then click on IV. Will that count? If it does, then we can all do that daily. All the bums that come here and don't pay, they can atleast do this.
I am bringing this up because I had been googling retrogression for a long time, and IV never came up.
Yes that will work. This method of making google bring up a link on top is called "google bombing". This is exactly the method that was used to make George Bush's biography appear as the first link when you googled the key "failure".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bomb
2) How about if I set up a website, create a thousand pages in it, and put a link to IV on each of those pages? Does that count? Is it the number of pages that point to IV that count? Or the number of websites? Do you know how the spiders work?
3) Also, how about clicking on IV. Like, can I google retrogression, and then go to page 2, and then click on IV. Will that count? If it does, then we can all do that daily. All the bums that come here and don't pay, they can atleast do this.
I am bringing this up because I had been googling retrogression for a long time, and IV never came up.
Yes that will work. This method of making google bring up a link on top is called "google bombing". This is exactly the method that was used to make George Bush's biography appear as the first link when you googled the key "failure".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bomb
humdesi
11-16 09:29 PM
DOL cannot do anything about labor sub. USCIS must stop using old PD. FOr this, we need to appeal to USCIS. Do you know who to address the letter?
We should all contact the ombudsman. Write to him TODAY.
Explain that labor substitution and PD porting is evil because it lets people unfairly get ahead in line. Otherwise EB2 will also soon retrogress to EB3 level.
Here's the link:
http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/structure/editorial_0501.shtm
Write today!
We should all contact the ombudsman. Write to him TODAY.
Explain that labor substitution and PD porting is evil because it lets people unfairly get ahead in line. Otherwise EB2 will also soon retrogress to EB3 level.
Here's the link:
http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/structure/editorial_0501.shtm
Write today!
chantu
03-30 02:46 PM
Do some research on Nuclear deal and see what it will bring to India in the next couple of decades. And tell me what Mr.Advani brought us when they were in power.
If congress would have done it's job properly 60 years back, there was no need of nuclear deal now. The comment you made makes it pretty sure that congress was a failure since last 6 decades. The benefits of current nuclear deal will be in next 2 decades. So what poor people of India eat in next two decades? Will you tell them that don't worry...hang on for next 20 years. Also do you know the case of Enron and how politicians of all colors made fool of people.
If congress would have done it's job properly 60 years back, there was no need of nuclear deal now. The comment you made makes it pretty sure that congress was a failure since last 6 decades. The benefits of current nuclear deal will be in next 2 decades. So what poor people of India eat in next two decades? Will you tell them that don't worry...hang on for next 20 years. Also do you know the case of Enron and how politicians of all colors made fool of people.
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