cinqsit
01-14 03:19 PM
I would argue that Indian consulting biggies saw that they could offer resources to clients at much cheaper rates than offered by American consulting companies. That drove down billing rates for everyone. Also one cannot deny the fact that persons who faked their resumes have contributed to the decline of the quality of talent pool. Don't get me wrong, bad apples existed and thrived in both big and small companies. But the occurences of such misdeed is/was more rampant in body shops. Some examples are the hiring of fresh grads & H4 & other unskilled workers and passing them off as "high skilled resource".
On the other hand if American consulting companies bill high rates to clients, they are at leat still paying decent wages to their employees. So wages stay at moderate levels. But what This whole tiered employement brought into play was that the actual employee was not getting paid too much but the client would still pay quite a bit, maybe not as much as what an American consulting company would bill. The wages of IT professionals went down.
Though this memo is reiterating the same rule again, they want to send a message that body shops are hurting the overall balance of the arrangement they had prior to when desi comapnies setup shops, and that they are keen on eliminating this source of imbalance.
I agree completely. I fail to understand why people are so upset with this development. Your life will be better in the long run. Cant you all see ?
cinqsit
On the other hand if American consulting companies bill high rates to clients, they are at leat still paying decent wages to their employees. So wages stay at moderate levels. But what This whole tiered employement brought into play was that the actual employee was not getting paid too much but the client would still pay quite a bit, maybe not as much as what an American consulting company would bill. The wages of IT professionals went down.
Though this memo is reiterating the same rule again, they want to send a message that body shops are hurting the overall balance of the arrangement they had prior to when desi comapnies setup shops, and that they are keen on eliminating this source of imbalance.
I agree completely. I fail to understand why people are so upset with this development. Your life will be better in the long run. Cant you all see ?
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voldemar
03-26 06:47 PM
And does this mean that this law will definitely change, or is it still possible that vested interests may still keep substition alive?
It's not done till it done.
It's not done till it done.
harikris
05-28 11:10 PM
This is precisely not what i wanted to hear.
It puts a damper on hope.
Now we have to hope against hope to see any movement forward.
There are only 3 ways i can see for improvement
1. Legislation
2. New legislation
3. And fast legislation
It puts a damper on hope.
Now we have to hope against hope to see any movement forward.
There are only 3 ways i can see for improvement
1. Legislation
2. New legislation
3. And fast legislation
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tikka
07-03 11:02 PM
Immigration lawyers raised unusually irate protests yesterday after the State Department and the immigration service abruptly withdrew tens of thousands of job-based visas they had offered last month to foreign professionals hoping to become permanent residents in the United States.
The outcry was provoked by a terse announcement on Monday in which the State Department said it would not grant any more visas for the 2007 fiscal year to foreigners applying to become permanent residents based on their job skills. That notice reversed one the department had issued on June 13 announcing a two-month window starting July 2 for aspiring, high-skilled immigrants from around the world to present applications for visas known as green cards.
The State Department said the 60,000 visas it had expected to offer would no longer be available because of �sudden backlog reduction efforts� by Citizenship and Immigration Services, the federal agency that processes applications for the visas offered by the department.
In a statement yesterday, the American Immigration Lawyers Association accused the two agencies of perpetrating a �hoax� and a �bait and switch� against hopeful legal immigrants who played by the book.
�Here people followed the rules and did everything right, yet without warning or explanation the door was slammed in their faces,� said Kathleen Campbell Walker, the president of the association.
To apply, immigrants must undergo medical examinations and assemble documents to prove their job skills and show that a United States employer has sponsored them. Foreigners must be in the United States when they present their applications, which are processed on a first-come, first-served basis.
Because of backlogs for employment-based visas, foreigners have had to wait many years just to be allowed to file their applications.
Thousands of medical and technology professionals, including many working here on temporary visas, scrambled for weeks to get their documents together, in some cases canceling travel plans, in order to file their applications on Monday, the first day of the window. The State Department and the immigration agency closed the window without accepting a single application.
�I am concerned that such action may violate the law and could threaten the integrity of our immigration system,� Representative Zoe Lofgren, Democrat of California who is chairwoman of the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, wrote in letters yesterday to Michael Chertoff, the secretary of homeland security, and Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state. Ms. Lofgren warned that the federal government could face costly litigation because of its change of course.
The State Department said it would begin accepting applications on Oct. 1 for 2008 visas. On July 30, the immigration agency will raise its processing fees by an average of 66 percent.
The outcry was provoked by a terse announcement on Monday in which the State Department said it would not grant any more visas for the 2007 fiscal year to foreigners applying to become permanent residents based on their job skills. That notice reversed one the department had issued on June 13 announcing a two-month window starting July 2 for aspiring, high-skilled immigrants from around the world to present applications for visas known as green cards.
The State Department said the 60,000 visas it had expected to offer would no longer be available because of �sudden backlog reduction efforts� by Citizenship and Immigration Services, the federal agency that processes applications for the visas offered by the department.
In a statement yesterday, the American Immigration Lawyers Association accused the two agencies of perpetrating a �hoax� and a �bait and switch� against hopeful legal immigrants who played by the book.
�Here people followed the rules and did everything right, yet without warning or explanation the door was slammed in their faces,� said Kathleen Campbell Walker, the president of the association.
To apply, immigrants must undergo medical examinations and assemble documents to prove their job skills and show that a United States employer has sponsored them. Foreigners must be in the United States when they present their applications, which are processed on a first-come, first-served basis.
Because of backlogs for employment-based visas, foreigners have had to wait many years just to be allowed to file their applications.
Thousands of medical and technology professionals, including many working here on temporary visas, scrambled for weeks to get their documents together, in some cases canceling travel plans, in order to file their applications on Monday, the first day of the window. The State Department and the immigration agency closed the window without accepting a single application.
�I am concerned that such action may violate the law and could threaten the integrity of our immigration system,� Representative Zoe Lofgren, Democrat of California who is chairwoman of the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, wrote in letters yesterday to Michael Chertoff, the secretary of homeland security, and Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state. Ms. Lofgren warned that the federal government could face costly litigation because of its change of course.
The State Department said it would begin accepting applications on Oct. 1 for 2008 visas. On July 30, the immigration agency will raise its processing fees by an average of 66 percent.
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gc_chahiye
06-28 07:41 PM
I suggest that you do this: Send the URL from AILA's memo about what happened to EB3-other worker category in June. And copy your HR and senior folks of your company when you email lawyer. That will tend to focus the attention of your lawfirm and they will either have to say "We will file asap" or they will have to say "AILA's memo doesnt mean anything".
I bet they will come back with the former conclusion.
Apparently, these lawyers have been too conditioned to work 30 hours per week and now, having to work 60 hours per week is too tough. NEWSFLASH LAWYERS : We idiots in IT and software very often work long hours to meet project deadlines. Its a part of life. Get used to it or like I said before, find something else to do. Like basket weaving or poetry writing so that you dont have to see deadlines and dont have to burn midnight oil.
This deadline is meaningless for them. We are not going anywhere. If dates retrogress, then we'll simply come back to them after 2 years or whatever.
Unless the senior folks in your HR department specifically ask them to file asap, they wont.
I bet they will come back with the former conclusion.
Apparently, these lawyers have been too conditioned to work 30 hours per week and now, having to work 60 hours per week is too tough. NEWSFLASH LAWYERS : We idiots in IT and software very often work long hours to meet project deadlines. Its a part of life. Get used to it or like I said before, find something else to do. Like basket weaving or poetry writing so that you dont have to see deadlines and dont have to burn midnight oil.
This deadline is meaningless for them. We are not going anywhere. If dates retrogress, then we'll simply come back to them after 2 years or whatever.
Unless the senior folks in your HR department specifically ask them to file asap, they wont.
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07-11 09:45 PM
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08-15 07:17 PM
SRK detained at US airport for being a Khan - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/SRK-detained-at-US-airport-for-being-a-Khan/articleshow/4896236.cms)
Guys we often discussed about facing problems at Port of entry. People being questioned for hours or rumors about people being sent back. I was surprised by reading this news today. This country is going crazy about stopping people just because their surname is "Khan" even if the person has travelled to US earlier. With experience i expect people to get smarter but these people are getting dummer.
I dont understand whats so special about SRK...is he god or what. TSA/IO has every right to question any one entering the country. Its their job. Indian Media is making it big issue about this just to get more attention from public. This is cheap advertisement for them. Our country is so corrupt...if you are celebrity and Politician you can get away with any system.
If you people do not like the way the american doing business give them the same reply in your/our country or stop doing business with them. Whats the big deal.
Guys we often discussed about facing problems at Port of entry. People being questioned for hours or rumors about people being sent back. I was surprised by reading this news today. This country is going crazy about stopping people just because their surname is "Khan" even if the person has travelled to US earlier. With experience i expect people to get smarter but these people are getting dummer.
I dont understand whats so special about SRK...is he god or what. TSA/IO has every right to question any one entering the country. Its their job. Indian Media is making it big issue about this just to get more attention from public. This is cheap advertisement for them. Our country is so corrupt...if you are celebrity and Politician you can get away with any system.
If you people do not like the way the american doing business give them the same reply in your/our country or stop doing business with them. Whats the big deal.
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breddy2000
09-03 11:07 PM
breddy2000,
Stick to the point, on YSR. Or open a thread on your favorite topics.
AP has seen an unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics just for one man thirst YSR.
It�s better to have none than these factionist gonads. As for my id, yes just for this and more and it should not matter you. If you have point, talk about it, otherwise just shut up and don�t preach like YSR�s family member that �Someone or something is better than none�
I cannot agrue with you based on how you personally attack someone who has a different point of view.
If you do not know how to debate objectively, no one can help
Your reputation from just 6 posts says it all and I'll end this here... Good luck with your Politics.
Stick to the point, on YSR. Or open a thread on your favorite topics.
AP has seen an unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics just for one man thirst YSR.
It�s better to have none than these factionist gonads. As for my id, yes just for this and more and it should not matter you. If you have point, talk about it, otherwise just shut up and don�t preach like YSR�s family member that �Someone or something is better than none�
I cannot agrue with you based on how you personally attack someone who has a different point of view.
If you do not know how to debate objectively, no one can help
Your reputation from just 6 posts says it all and I'll end this here... Good luck with your Politics.
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bestia
02-14 01:43 PM
Bestia,
I am not fighting with you believe it or not - just that some things said on this forum are just downright nasty. FYI though.. the Congo WAS colonized and terrorized by the Europeans. Hear of the Belgian Congo?? I don't know about Sierra Leone though.
"Nasty" - might be just person's opinion. We don't have right to GC, but we have right to nasty opinions. I used to live in Maryland and was so tired of being careful when using words starting with "black*", "Afro*", "slave*", etc. Everything was always tended to be interpreted as implication, that someone is inferior to someone, etc. etc. The only solution was just to keep my mouth shut. And this is in country which is so proud of "free speech".
OK, I stand corrected, maybe not "colonized", but "settled" (still it's a wrong term - "immigrated"? Natives didn't have any immigration laws, though, so Europeans didn't brake any law). Europeans came here to build cities and live here. Congo was colonized for trading (robbing if you wish) purposes, slave trade, etc. That's the key difference.
But we are far from ROW/India+China debate :) I'm from ROW and it's my 8th year in the US, and all these years I'm "enjoying" not having any quota.
I am not fighting with you believe it or not - just that some things said on this forum are just downright nasty. FYI though.. the Congo WAS colonized and terrorized by the Europeans. Hear of the Belgian Congo?? I don't know about Sierra Leone though.
"Nasty" - might be just person's opinion. We don't have right to GC, but we have right to nasty opinions. I used to live in Maryland and was so tired of being careful when using words starting with "black*", "Afro*", "slave*", etc. Everything was always tended to be interpreted as implication, that someone is inferior to someone, etc. etc. The only solution was just to keep my mouth shut. And this is in country which is so proud of "free speech".
OK, I stand corrected, maybe not "colonized", but "settled" (still it's a wrong term - "immigrated"? Natives didn't have any immigration laws, though, so Europeans didn't brake any law). Europeans came here to build cities and live here. Congo was colonized for trading (robbing if you wish) purposes, slave trade, etc. That's the key difference.
But we are far from ROW/India+China debate :) I'm from ROW and it's my 8th year in the US, and all these years I'm "enjoying" not having any quota.
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sanju
02-15 11:34 AM
I set up a yahoo group to discuss the issue. To subscribe, send an e-mail to
visa-recapture-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Please include your IV alias when you confirm your subscribe request.
Also, just wanted to clarify that I will not be able to spearhead the issue. I will contribute as I can: financially, doing legal research, reviewing briefs and generating ideas. But I do not have a lot of time to dedicate to this initiative. I also think it should be somebody who is affected by retrogression. People should be willing to change their situation, otherwise I do not see the reason to help them.
Thanks for an excellent research and arguments. Some of the arguments are well presented.
Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.
visa-recapture-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Please include your IV alias when you confirm your subscribe request.
Also, just wanted to clarify that I will not be able to spearhead the issue. I will contribute as I can: financially, doing legal research, reviewing briefs and generating ideas. But I do not have a lot of time to dedicate to this initiative. I also think it should be somebody who is affected by retrogression. People should be willing to change their situation, otherwise I do not see the reason to help them.
Thanks for an excellent research and arguments. Some of the arguments are well presented.
Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.
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jonty_11
10-04 10:54 AM
I have Applied for Canadian PR, got a receipt # back. I want to add my wife now. However, she has a shoplifting incident back in 2001 in Singapore. I know we have to provide Police Cert for Singapore nowadays.
Reading on cic.ga website, they do pardon such offenses in 5 - 10 years depending on seriosness of the offense. ANyone has concrete infomration on this? Would really help is adding my wife on to my appliaction the correct way.
Reading on cic.ga website, they do pardon such offenses in 5 - 10 years depending on seriosness of the offense. ANyone has concrete infomration on this? Would really help is adding my wife on to my appliaction the correct way.
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unseenguy
06-12 01:02 AM
dilipcr ....... I am perplexed by your responses. To be honest you are flip flopping in your statements. Now if you lose job, please do not come to India seeking a job as PIO. or dual citizen. Should India be also closing doors on her children who showed her backside?
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venkat80
09-23 08:20 PM
http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2008/09/can-immigrants.html
CAN IMMIGRANTS HELP ADDRESS THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN
A lot of people may not be aware that hundreds of thousands of highly skilled immigrants - people with bachelors, masters, Ph.Ds, medical degrees, etc. - are stuck waiting in a queue for green cards that can last ten years or more. These are precisely the people who can help keep American competitive and they could provide some needed help in resolving the banking crisis that has gripped the country. One group, Immigration Voice, is proposing Congress consider a legislative solution that would provide green card numbers for people who can demonstrate they qualify in one of the employment-based green card categories if they buy a home and place at least 25% down on the property. This won't solve the crisis, of course, but it is one way to inject some life in to the bleak housing market.
I'd like to see this proposal possibly coupled with a retiree visa which would provide long term visas to people who have the means to pay cash for a home and buy a home within a specified period of time after coming to the US, have substantial assets, have pre-paid for health insurance and who do not intend to work in the US.
CAN IMMIGRANTS HELP ADDRESS THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN
A lot of people may not be aware that hundreds of thousands of highly skilled immigrants - people with bachelors, masters, Ph.Ds, medical degrees, etc. - are stuck waiting in a queue for green cards that can last ten years or more. These are precisely the people who can help keep American competitive and they could provide some needed help in resolving the banking crisis that has gripped the country. One group, Immigration Voice, is proposing Congress consider a legislative solution that would provide green card numbers for people who can demonstrate they qualify in one of the employment-based green card categories if they buy a home and place at least 25% down on the property. This won't solve the crisis, of course, but it is one way to inject some life in to the bleak housing market.
I'd like to see this proposal possibly coupled with a retiree visa which would provide long term visas to people who have the means to pay cash for a home and buy a home within a specified period of time after coming to the US, have substantial assets, have pre-paid for health insurance and who do not intend to work in the US.
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Macaca
06-26 09:22 PM
But they don't know how many of these could be approved by end of this fiscal year and they don't want to loose visas as they have in past.
This is the reason they made all date current.
I also think that the main (= only) reason for dates becoming become current is that USCIS did not want to loose GCs as last year. This is a simple way of avoiding the waste.
A reason for the timing is the release time of the ombudsman report. No one would know about wasted GSs without ombudsman report.
This is the reason they made all date current.
I also think that the main (= only) reason for dates becoming become current is that USCIS did not want to loose GCs as last year. This is a simple way of avoiding the waste.
A reason for the timing is the release time of the ombudsman report. No one would know about wasted GSs without ombudsman report.
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grupak
02-15 08:22 PM
To all proponents of country quotas:
Well, if there is a cap for GCs then there should also be a cap on the number of H-1Bs that can be taken up by a country. There should be a cap on the number of allowable F-1 visas to a country. There should be a cap on number of employees of a particular nationality in an organization. There should be a separate line for different nationalities in supermarkets. Fair? Happy?
Btw, why is there no cap on H-1Bs or F-1s and only for GCs?
Everyone lets not continue this discussion because it is going beyond what IV is about. IV core's solution is the pragmatic one helping all EB. Lets direct our energy on the action items.
Mail in the letters by month end. Already few thousand letters are in. So, lets continue with the momentum. Efforts by IV and its members have already succeeded in fixing MI DL issue. Lets work on the positives. EB3 ROW has jumped ahead, and fellow IVians would benefit. So, everyone its time to be happy.
Well, if there is a cap for GCs then there should also be a cap on the number of H-1Bs that can be taken up by a country. There should be a cap on the number of allowable F-1 visas to a country. There should be a cap on number of employees of a particular nationality in an organization. There should be a separate line for different nationalities in supermarkets. Fair? Happy?
Btw, why is there no cap on H-1Bs or F-1s and only for GCs?
Everyone lets not continue this discussion because it is going beyond what IV is about. IV core's solution is the pragmatic one helping all EB. Lets direct our energy on the action items.
Mail in the letters by month end. Already few thousand letters are in. So, lets continue with the momentum. Efforts by IV and its members have already succeeded in fixing MI DL issue. Lets work on the positives. EB3 ROW has jumped ahead, and fellow IVians would benefit. So, everyone its time to be happy.
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01-16 01:31 PM
Accepting regulations does not mean to prevent Indians to come here. I can tell many examples. There are many bodyshoppers get h1B and make the persons to sit on bench in India or USA. I know some persons come here 1 year after getting h1b. But many reputed companies those who are real need of people could not get H1b as Cap was reduced. Putting restrictions on on bodyshoppers will improve H1b usage and wastage can be eliminated. And will make h1b program legitimate.
Wow so ungrateful.
You make hole in the same vessel you eat.
You came to this country only because of a desi bodyshopper. Otherwise with your qualifications you cannot even dream of coming to USA on your own.
Unless you are IIT or IIM.. or some top engineering college, it is highly difficult for someone to come to USA on H1B and take a permanent job. The other route is to come for studies.
So after coming here by showing your desperation to earn dollars with an NIIT diploma or some shady donation college degree you came via a body shopper. You made a choice in life fully knowing what you are doing. Now you left your bodyshopper and want to hurt him and feel happy for the rule because you do not want others like you to come to US of A via bodyshoppers.
You know why? Because you do not want other Indians to come behind you and compete with you for jobs.
Learn to live and let live. Din't they teach you in India as an Indian value. Good luck with your greencard.
Wow so ungrateful.
You make hole in the same vessel you eat.
You came to this country only because of a desi bodyshopper. Otherwise with your qualifications you cannot even dream of coming to USA on your own.
Unless you are IIT or IIM.. or some top engineering college, it is highly difficult for someone to come to USA on H1B and take a permanent job. The other route is to come for studies.
So after coming here by showing your desperation to earn dollars with an NIIT diploma or some shady donation college degree you came via a body shopper. You made a choice in life fully knowing what you are doing. Now you left your bodyshopper and want to hurt him and feel happy for the rule because you do not want others like you to come to US of A via bodyshoppers.
You know why? Because you do not want other Indians to come behind you and compete with you for jobs.
Learn to live and let live. Din't they teach you in India as an Indian value. Good luck with your greencard.
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Legal
07-24 07:10 PM
Have some more comments from Atty Ron. Might be interesting to discuss if already not brought up.
"Some thoughts on India E2 movement over the next two months.
More and more, I see people posting messages containing the unspoken assumption that since the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward, it is likely to move forward further in the coming months. This is a false hope.
Even with a cutoff date in early 2003, the CIS has sufficient inventory of Indian E2 adjustments on file to use up the remaining inventory of E2 visas for this fiscal year. The reason that the Visa Office advanced the priority date is to move it up to the point where overseas consular posts can take up the slack left by the CIS's inability to close out enough cases and avoid wasting visas this year.
The CIS inventory of pending cases is massive. If there were no quota at all - if everyone were suddenly "current" - and no new cases were filed after today, it would still take the CIS four to five years to close out all of the pending cases that they already have in their inventory.
Overseas consular posts maintain inventories of cases as well. When the priority date for a particular case starts to edge forward and it appears that the applicant may become "current' in the not too distant future, the applicant is told to submit all required supporting documents to the post or the NVC. When this is done, the applicant is reported to the Visa Office as being "documentarily qualified." This means that the case is in a position where an immigrant visa can be issued to the applicant as soon as a visa number becomes available.
The inventory of documentarily qualified cases with current priority dates at a consular post never exceeds that post's ability to process all such cases within sixty days. Consular posts have very high bandwidth processing capabilities. No matter how many cases become current, they are able to process all of them within sixty days.
The reason that the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward is that the Visa Office fears that the CIS will not be able to adjudicate enough adjustment of status applications to exhaust the annual quota. They have advanced the cutoff date in order to make more cases overseas eligible for final processing.
This means that overseas consular posts have exhausted their inventories of Indian E2 cases with priority dates earlier than 2006 and the Visa Office had to move the cutoff date forward in order to make more cases eligible to be closed out.
This does not mean that the CIS has closed out all of the pre-2006 cases pending in their inventory. Far from it. When the new fiscal year starts, Indian E2 is likely to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003. This is roughly the point reached by the CIS in processing their inventory of pending cases.
Please understand that this is a temporary phenomenon and due entirely to the difference in the processing capabilities of the CIS and the overseas consular posts.
I hope this clarifies matters."
I am curious and have a few questions:
1. What was Ron Gotcher's prediction (if any) BEFORE the Aug bulletin came out??
2. In his long post above, he elaborates on one single theme- to avoid wastage of visa numbers, and since there are some CP cases which could be adjudicated faster, USCIS moved the dates. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW HERE, everyone knows this. He is entirely silent on (a) the ACTUAL number of EB visas available for this fiscal year, (b) spillover from unused FB quota
3. He is entirely silent on vertical spill over policy changing to horizontal spill over policy. Even without spillover, some minimum numbers will be available in October for EB2-I from the new fiscal year's quota.
4. He is not giving any credible explanation on why the dates will move back to 2002-3 despite declaring there is a massive inventory? What are the numbers he has on this massive inventory? If there is such a massive inventory of pending EB-2 cases, and every one knows this, no one will be speculating like this.
"Some thoughts on India E2 movement over the next two months.
More and more, I see people posting messages containing the unspoken assumption that since the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward, it is likely to move forward further in the coming months. This is a false hope.
Even with a cutoff date in early 2003, the CIS has sufficient inventory of Indian E2 adjustments on file to use up the remaining inventory of E2 visas for this fiscal year. The reason that the Visa Office advanced the priority date is to move it up to the point where overseas consular posts can take up the slack left by the CIS's inability to close out enough cases and avoid wasting visas this year.
The CIS inventory of pending cases is massive. If there were no quota at all - if everyone were suddenly "current" - and no new cases were filed after today, it would still take the CIS four to five years to close out all of the pending cases that they already have in their inventory.
Overseas consular posts maintain inventories of cases as well. When the priority date for a particular case starts to edge forward and it appears that the applicant may become "current' in the not too distant future, the applicant is told to submit all required supporting documents to the post or the NVC. When this is done, the applicant is reported to the Visa Office as being "documentarily qualified." This means that the case is in a position where an immigrant visa can be issued to the applicant as soon as a visa number becomes available.
The inventory of documentarily qualified cases with current priority dates at a consular post never exceeds that post's ability to process all such cases within sixty days. Consular posts have very high bandwidth processing capabilities. No matter how many cases become current, they are able to process all of them within sixty days.
The reason that the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward is that the Visa Office fears that the CIS will not be able to adjudicate enough adjustment of status applications to exhaust the annual quota. They have advanced the cutoff date in order to make more cases overseas eligible for final processing.
This means that overseas consular posts have exhausted their inventories of Indian E2 cases with priority dates earlier than 2006 and the Visa Office had to move the cutoff date forward in order to make more cases eligible to be closed out.
This does not mean that the CIS has closed out all of the pre-2006 cases pending in their inventory. Far from it. When the new fiscal year starts, Indian E2 is likely to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003. This is roughly the point reached by the CIS in processing their inventory of pending cases.
Please understand that this is a temporary phenomenon and due entirely to the difference in the processing capabilities of the CIS and the overseas consular posts.
I hope this clarifies matters."
I am curious and have a few questions:
1. What was Ron Gotcher's prediction (if any) BEFORE the Aug bulletin came out??
2. In his long post above, he elaborates on one single theme- to avoid wastage of visa numbers, and since there are some CP cases which could be adjudicated faster, USCIS moved the dates. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW HERE, everyone knows this. He is entirely silent on (a) the ACTUAL number of EB visas available for this fiscal year, (b) spillover from unused FB quota
3. He is entirely silent on vertical spill over policy changing to horizontal spill over policy. Even without spillover, some minimum numbers will be available in October for EB2-I from the new fiscal year's quota.
4. He is not giving any credible explanation on why the dates will move back to 2002-3 despite declaring there is a massive inventory? What are the numbers he has on this massive inventory? If there is such a massive inventory of pending EB-2 cases, and every one knows this, no one will be speculating like this.
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09-03 05:28 PM
Well, lemme give my 2 cents as I am from AP and follow politics very closely...I CAN TELL ONE THING - IF EVERYONE HAS THE SAME FACTS ABOUT SOME ISSUE, ESP. WITH ABOUT A PERSON, EVERYONE PRETTY MUCH COMES TO THE SAME CONCLUSION. So here are some of the facts, some first hand and some knowing by hailing from the area...
I have first hand accounts about the person....There are corrupt guys and then there was YSR...to the extent most of you would not even believe!!! One of my friends was a police officer, and told me that YSR openly used to intimidate them if they did not oblige...
It's funny someone mentioned that he had a vision, democratically elected etc., etc...My other friend comes from the same town as he, and told me how he literally 'ruled' the place with thuggery, force, intimidation, power, etc...
Oh yeah sure he was a doctor...Did he not buy that degree through donation education from Karnataka, during good old days?
Someone mentioned he was self made...He..Hee...He came from a well to do family, and then he made millions more through corruption, mining mafia, land grabbing, etc.
We already have (too much) religious stuff playing politics in India. Instead of separating religion from politics, he took it up a notch...We have govt. paying the hajj pilgrims and now he was trying to have govt. pay for people who visit vatican...Sure, everybody is free to practice his/her own religion, but why should the tax payers pay for these trips?
During the first term, it is a known fact that he allocated tons of treasury resources and govt. projects to his native area, even though other parts of the state desparately needed them...
He sidelined other congress leaders in the state so that he would not have another voice...so much so that even though congress won many more lok sabha seats in AP than in TN, he made sure that no more than one or two MPs from AP become members of central cabinet (compared to 4 or 5 from TN congress and dmk alliance), so that he would not have a rival with power in AP. Forget about the other developmental benefits that AP could have availed by having central cabinet ministers. This is not a speculation, but following the way he ascended in politics, and the way he operates, it's not a rocket science to conclude that...
When real estate in hyd exploded, he had his goons coming from his native place, illegally occupying the private land and govt. land alike. His brother and his goons are forcibly buying private land through intimidation. The sob even issued G.O. retroactively to pretty much legalize and take care of those forcible buyings.
And by the way did I mention how many died since he turned politics into a sort of blood sport in Cuddaph district? People are already talking about making his son the CM. This is height of degeneration...What a pity...
Now you might say, that's how it works in Indian politics, etc...But think about this way...
He was a corrupt guy to the core, governs like a dictator, amasses ill-gotten wealth, eliminates rivals through intimidation and killings...In the process, none of the ordinary people did not have any betterment in their lives over the past 5 yrs. (with the exception of a few of his loyalists) and funny that the Indian new papers (or rather we should call them tabloids) are dubbing him 'Man of the people', etc.
NOW TELL ME IF IT'S NOT A GOOD RIDDANCE, WHAT ELSE IS IT? I am not a proponent of someone dying an untimely death, but I am happy that it's a good riddance from the perspective of seeing an end to these dirty deeds, atleast from one person...I am positive everyone would atleast come to this conclusion...
I have first hand accounts about the person....There are corrupt guys and then there was YSR...to the extent most of you would not even believe!!! One of my friends was a police officer, and told me that YSR openly used to intimidate them if they did not oblige...
It's funny someone mentioned that he had a vision, democratically elected etc., etc...My other friend comes from the same town as he, and told me how he literally 'ruled' the place with thuggery, force, intimidation, power, etc...
Oh yeah sure he was a doctor...Did he not buy that degree through donation education from Karnataka, during good old days?
Someone mentioned he was self made...He..Hee...He came from a well to do family, and then he made millions more through corruption, mining mafia, land grabbing, etc.
We already have (too much) religious stuff playing politics in India. Instead of separating religion from politics, he took it up a notch...We have govt. paying the hajj pilgrims and now he was trying to have govt. pay for people who visit vatican...Sure, everybody is free to practice his/her own religion, but why should the tax payers pay for these trips?
During the first term, it is a known fact that he allocated tons of treasury resources and govt. projects to his native area, even though other parts of the state desparately needed them...
He sidelined other congress leaders in the state so that he would not have another voice...so much so that even though congress won many more lok sabha seats in AP than in TN, he made sure that no more than one or two MPs from AP become members of central cabinet (compared to 4 or 5 from TN congress and dmk alliance), so that he would not have a rival with power in AP. Forget about the other developmental benefits that AP could have availed by having central cabinet ministers. This is not a speculation, but following the way he ascended in politics, and the way he operates, it's not a rocket science to conclude that...
When real estate in hyd exploded, he had his goons coming from his native place, illegally occupying the private land and govt. land alike. His brother and his goons are forcibly buying private land through intimidation. The sob even issued G.O. retroactively to pretty much legalize and take care of those forcible buyings.
And by the way did I mention how many died since he turned politics into a sort of blood sport in Cuddaph district? People are already talking about making his son the CM. This is height of degeneration...What a pity...
Now you might say, that's how it works in Indian politics, etc...But think about this way...
He was a corrupt guy to the core, governs like a dictator, amasses ill-gotten wealth, eliminates rivals through intimidation and killings...In the process, none of the ordinary people did not have any betterment in their lives over the past 5 yrs. (with the exception of a few of his loyalists) and funny that the Indian new papers (or rather we should call them tabloids) are dubbing him 'Man of the people', etc.
NOW TELL ME IF IT'S NOT A GOOD RIDDANCE, WHAT ELSE IS IT? I am not a proponent of someone dying an untimely death, but I am happy that it's a good riddance from the perspective of seeing an end to these dirty deeds, atleast from one person...I am positive everyone would atleast come to this conclusion...
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Imigrait
06-16 04:53 PM
For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future. Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies. I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky".
Of course everyone who have worse qualifications(according to who??-> dilipcr ) are ordinary. Rest of the people are good. This is the same argument as "now that I have GC, let me come out and say retrogressions and less GCs are good, cuz I am qualified and I already have GC."
And yes I agree EB based GC is built by merit. Merit according to the employer who will keep paying the employee if the employee performs his job at least satisfactorily. Dilipcr is not the adjudicator here, the market aka the employer is. And...... the employer is making sure it is following the regulations prescribed by USCIS.
Cant believe I am using that word !!!.
What's not to believe? You just did!
In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
People don't view any statement that you're from a top college as egoistic. Ppl view it as egoistic when after 15-20 years out of college you still throw around your college name to make other people treat you differently. Dude, after 20 years people from various colleges are working with you, some doing a worse job than you and some better, colleges don't matter any more for the current job. It might have some influence in a new job.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
Why are you calling outsourcing companies scum? So do you call the companies that manufacture in China as scum too? I know tonnes of engineers from Infosys, TCS, Wipro and others who work for Google,Msft,Apple,Amazon etc etc. So now that these people have bathed in Ganga(google etc etc) their scum is washed off?
"the speed of market" -The outsourcing companies are part of the market. Yes the salaries have gone down, but that's according to the speed of the market, not due to some participants outside the market.
"committing pervasive fraud" - No US or foreign company will keep a company if the value proposition dosen't work for them. For Building a webpage or multi tiered web applications we don't need a rocket scientist. Hence, the market is paying what is deserved. Would you be able to keep a job if you don't perform in the US? Then why will an outsourcing company be treated differently?
Ok it seems lots of other people are also responding so I'll stop here. :D
Of course everyone who have worse qualifications(according to who??-> dilipcr ) are ordinary. Rest of the people are good. This is the same argument as "now that I have GC, let me come out and say retrogressions and less GCs are good, cuz I am qualified and I already have GC."
And yes I agree EB based GC is built by merit. Merit according to the employer who will keep paying the employee if the employee performs his job at least satisfactorily. Dilipcr is not the adjudicator here, the market aka the employer is. And...... the employer is making sure it is following the regulations prescribed by USCIS.
Cant believe I am using that word !!!.
What's not to believe? You just did!
In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
People don't view any statement that you're from a top college as egoistic. Ppl view it as egoistic when after 15-20 years out of college you still throw around your college name to make other people treat you differently. Dude, after 20 years people from various colleges are working with you, some doing a worse job than you and some better, colleges don't matter any more for the current job. It might have some influence in a new job.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
Why are you calling outsourcing companies scum? So do you call the companies that manufacture in China as scum too? I know tonnes of engineers from Infosys, TCS, Wipro and others who work for Google,Msft,Apple,Amazon etc etc. So now that these people have bathed in Ganga(google etc etc) their scum is washed off?
"the speed of market" -The outsourcing companies are part of the market. Yes the salaries have gone down, but that's according to the speed of the market, not due to some participants outside the market.
"committing pervasive fraud" - No US or foreign company will keep a company if the value proposition dosen't work for them. For Building a webpage or multi tiered web applications we don't need a rocket scientist. Hence, the market is paying what is deserved. Would you be able to keep a job if you don't perform in the US? Then why will an outsourcing company be treated differently?
Ok it seems lots of other people are also responding so I'll stop here. :D
thomachan72
01-14 07:03 AM
This news has left a lot of our members without sleep I guess. There could be somany people who might be involved in such contract comapanies. At some point we will have to decide between; Can I/we do something about this or how do I prepare myself for such an eventuality.
I think IV members should work with AILA by offering support and seek their advice on how to understand and face this issue. Some of our members pointed out the AILA is working on this issue so let us contact them first.
If it seems worthy enough to write to the USCIS directly (properly crafted letter not just self pity) highlighting the importance of sustaining the H1b while ofcourse preventing abuse. Highlighting that H1b is a boon to this economy and taking away jobs from one person does not essentially create job for another. The person was hired by the company/industry in the first place due to a lot of economic reasons that only a true capitalist would understand. Cutting of H1b/labelling H1b as evil and targetting it to destroy the efficacy of this system is actually socialism and this is what needs to be made very clear to the officials.
They cannot over regulate the "immigration for economic reasons". If they do they are actually destroying the very basis of growth and are "thinking socialist".
I think IV members should work with AILA by offering support and seek their advice on how to understand and face this issue. Some of our members pointed out the AILA is working on this issue so let us contact them first.
If it seems worthy enough to write to the USCIS directly (properly crafted letter not just self pity) highlighting the importance of sustaining the H1b while ofcourse preventing abuse. Highlighting that H1b is a boon to this economy and taking away jobs from one person does not essentially create job for another. The person was hired by the company/industry in the first place due to a lot of economic reasons that only a true capitalist would understand. Cutting of H1b/labelling H1b as evil and targetting it to destroy the efficacy of this system is actually socialism and this is what needs to be made very clear to the officials.
They cannot over regulate the "immigration for economic reasons". If they do they are actually destroying the very basis of growth and are "thinking socialist".
she81
07-03 06:59 PM
I digged all the comments but looks like someone is trying to bury them again and again...
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